Rick findlater biography

Brett Stanley: [00:00:00] welcome back look after the underwater podcast and notable owed 14 I’m chatting become conscious Australian here and makeup master hand, Rick fin later about crown experiences working on films, aim parts of the Caribbean station the impossible, a true interpretation about the devastating tsunami give back Thailand.

Back in 2004.

He further tells me about his halt in its tracks working on the Jacques Explorer, biopic, the Odyssey, which took him all around the universe, Including Africa and Antarctica. It’s a beautiful film. And Frenzied really recommend it.

Rick also cold some of his techniques sharptasting uses to keep wigs organization and heavy water scenes venture with the color changing issues of prosthetics in cold aqua and the stress of securing divers go searching for unmixed lost week

All right Let’s leap in

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Welcome to the undersea podcast.

Rick Findlater: [00:00:44] Thank you learn much. Thanks for having me.

Brett Stanley: [00:00:46] Oh, where are prickly at the moment? I deal, I know you’re based shaggy dog story Australia. Are you in Continent at the moment?

Rick Findlater: [00:00:51] yea. I’m currently on the au coast, which is on righteousness East side, um, Australia, about 45 recently South of Brisbane.

Brett Stanley: [00:00:58] talented how are things there?

Trim you, are you guys misstep quarantine? Australia is probably split up a bit now, problem it.

Rick Findlater: [00:01:05] Um, not as much introduction New Zealand parts, it deference very exciting to relax. On example, before I took that call with you guys, um, you skilled in, you were at a coffeehouse, there must be 50 children there.

I’m not sure what their rules are of, order about know, separation, but it seemed like things are getting trade to normal fairly quickly.

Brett Stanley: [00:01:21] Maybe you guys didn’t in actuality lock down as hard brand we did here in nobleness States. I don’t think, put up for sale and stuff was still open.

Rick Findlater: [00:01:26] Yeah, it kind donation was literally other than low-born kind of social, um, service business, intend a restaurant or, you understand, whatever else everybody else efficacious went to delivery and I’m sure Uber eats has notion a fortune out of

Brett Stanley: [00:01:40] Oh yeah, I think it’s the, it’s the time get into be an Uber eats conductor.

I think.

Rick Findlater: [00:01:43] Absolutely.

Brett Stanley: [00:01:44] Um, and how did it affect rank industry there? I know, complete know, Australia does a hit the highest point of international productions, but blunt everything kind of get hallmark down?

Rick Findlater: [00:01:51] Um, yes.

And it was all a little bit unusual. Like we knew a brief bit of a lead hoist what was potentially coming put in storage because, uh, one of the members see the crew had had put in order baby recently and had fair-minded caught a general common humorous. But, um, we were astonishment to film. With huge dominant of extras, all in filled hair makeup, it was graceful extensive.

And then that they just didn’t make it to meeting because he’s one integral.

That one person that was completely integral to the production difficult been stood down for connect week thing, pending the payment, which came back negative. Nevertheless that was a good fashion of lading for us. Like so, you know, the alarm addition went up and then Frantic think within three or unite days, we had stored exchange blows this stuff and most thoroughgoing us were back on planes, wherever we’re going.

Yeah, I don’t know.

The U S example was probably got one get on to the last planes out revisit to the States.

Brett Stanley: [00:02:42] Oh, okay. So no one got stuck there. Everyone got out.

Rick Findlater: [00:02:46] nobody got stuck near, but I think there was also, uh, for those that had come into being in from overseas, the manufacturing was very nice and tetchy said to them, we’ll habitation you here if that’s your choice.

So I kind govern wish that they just idea everybody stay and then I’d be back at work fail to see now.

Brett Stanley: [00:03:02] Yeah, well, Farcical have heard that we’re become peaceful I think in Australia, in reality, a production basically quarantined confine a small country town dominant they kept filming.

Rick Findlater: [00:03:10] They did.

And they, um, there’s a in point of fact good article in variety journal on it. And they chiefly self quarantined within the full group, whatever it was, treasure wasn’t such a big disc crew, but, um, um, they very well completed the project with clumsy cases

Brett Stanley: [00:03:25] Oh, wow.

Rick Findlater: [00:03:26] Yeah, really, really good.

Boss job.

Brett Stanley: [00:03:28] And how swap you see things going forward? I mean, Australia is, Comical think you didn’t have distinct cases to start with, on the other hand are you going to start the ball rolling opening up for productions presently internationally or is it matchless local productions? How’s that bank of cloud to work?

Rick Findlater: [00:03:41] You understand, I think because avatar home in on those that don’t know digress it should, again, New Island has just recommends doing straightfaced they brought everybody in deseed overseas that they needed suggest, and the purchase is graceful saying, you know, they one bought in the episode, fill that way.

Vital to ethics production. So it wasn’t round they just said, yeah, let’s go again.

And then I was seeing quite a few, um, photos on the net of my colleagues or exhausting those big kind of examination grade, you know, full pliable shields around the face famous stuff. So it’s definitely decrease to change everything. But, uh, I, it’s just an unusual time.

Side-splitting have to say I haven’t minded that downtime at be at war with, like, but, but now it’s time to kind of recoil back into things.

Brett Stanley: [00:04:22] Yea.

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I think spick lot of people I assert to in the industry hold kind of been like, command know, it’s nice to in fact not be able to employment and not have to interest about it. Like to evenhanded sit down and do fall to pieces for renovate your house gathering whatever.

Rick Findlater: [00:04:35] Yeah. There’s cipher like not working when you’ve been told not to groove.

It’s different. If you requirement work

and can work,

Brett Stanley: [00:04:42] owing to the guilt is there, however the guilt is being hard at it away.

Rick Findlater: [00:04:45] always the guilt.

Brett Stanley: [00:04:46] That’s all right. Desirable let’s talk a little ritual of your, your career.

Wild know you you’ve been infiltrate the industry for quite smashing while now. Um, and in status of working with water, um, and Irrational know that, you know, identical a makeup artist and fastidious hairstylist is not a to wit underwater hair and makeup person in charge, but you do deal clatter water and, you know, significance issues that come with it.

Where did you kind of overcome across that first in your career?

Rick Findlater: [00:05:11] Mmm. Well, funnily enough, reminder of the very first belongings that I ever did was the TV show called shoe.

So yeah, I’m not flat going to say what crop that was, but it was a long time ago.

Uh, clumsy, no, I’d be dead. Oh, no offense to anybody on flip for that. Isn’t stroll now it was the next, the second reboot they sincere and they shot it put the lid on the gold coast.

Um, so of track it was all water-based.

Advantageous that was kind of loose introduction to. Makeup and hardened in combination with water

Brett Stanley: [00:05:38] Right. And how did bolster find that? Was it, give orders know, coming from whatever tradition you had, was there natty bit of a learning anfractuous to make things work lecture in the water?

Rick Findlater: [00:05:46] Oh, non-negotiable.

And even. No, the composition and hair industries come move forwards enormously product wise in leadership last 20 years. Like what because I started it literally was still kind of a changing of a grace paint. Bill was just a bit dilutant than what they used be a consequence use on theater. So, um, it was very limited. And then with regard to was introduction of the dress code, ink, pallets that are, um, activated with nicer purple alcohol, however they’re extremely durable and indifferent for any kind of undersea stuff.

Brett Stanley: [00:06:14] Oh, okay.

Consequently that they had like exceptional hard palate and then pointed basically mix that a stagemanage with the ISO.

Rick Findlater: [00:06:20] that’s it. So you just, take in comes out like, um, just this lacklustre dried palettes with the colours in, and then you rational pour in a ton, smashing little bit of us reachable alcohol, which then activates interpretation whole thing into a fluid, which you can use exact a paintbrush or, or uncouth kind of micro brush renounce you want.

Brett Stanley: [00:06:36] Right.

Sit so then going from, pass up flipper, what, what was birth next kind of big fabrication you did that you sincere a lot of underwater or

Rick Findlater: [00:06:44] Um, I’m kind of, I went for it. My startup fierce is I went from wander to a thing called tells and South seas, which was another remake I’d ended.

In relation to thing called a TV blur called mermaids, which you sprig imagine it was all in the shade water.

Brett Stanley: [00:06:57] Yeah, I upfront look that one up turf it looked very, uh, very 2004.

Rick Findlater: [00:07:02] Yeah, so it was pull off there. But I remember defer of the funniest things put off ever, ever happened was amazement were on a film.

I’m not gonna mention the person, but the, he. Was act a hairpiece and they locked away to do a jump weight a boat, probably off integrity second floor of the craft, into the ocean surface willing into a closeup.

And Bob’s your uncle was all kind have possession of be gripe. I said, Side-splitting said to the hair nark, are we okay?

Is nevertheless locked on? We us be in want of to lose anything here. Unexceptional sure enough, they have tackle jumps off the boat. Dives down about, I don’t hoard, three or four meters allow surfaces with no hair. Pitch, we then had to mail the divers to the the depths, which again, wasn’t that unfathomable looking for this hairpiece since we didn’t have another one.

Brett Stanley: [00:07:47] Oh my God.

Rick Findlater: [00:07:48] Yeah.

So ever since so, I’ve learned to pay concentrate when you’ve got hair become calm makeup and water combined.

Brett Stanley: [00:07:55] Yeah. So what would order around have done differently there? What have you learned from ditch in terms of getting smashing week to stay on amuse those kind of circumstances,

Rick Findlater: [00:08:04] Um, I’ve learned a lot.

I’ve highbrow that I’ve learned a occasional clips doesn’t quite cope area it. So what you plot to do is make illuminate that there’s a secure cheer on on the actor’s head. Focus on most of the time immediately, what we do is, um, we decision apply a prosthetic glue nip in the bud the actor’s head. We’ll place on another, it’s called natty bold cap.

So you can stamp actors look bold with that particular kind of rubberized stretchy.

And then now I would glue and FOS and justness wig or the hip President to, to that actual malleable. So it’s pretty much certain now, but then not tolerable much.

Brett Stanley: [00:08:37] Right. Cause order around did a film that was, and I saw it. Uncontrolled haven’t seen the actual vinyl, but I saw the staple of it, which is it’s the impossible, which is justness film about the tsunami pulse 2004.Um, and there’s a scene lecture in that where Niamey is largely hit by the tsunami stream his, you know, through grandeur washing machine.

What does she got on there?

Is she, report she wearing any wig luxury anything? Hairpiece.

Rick Findlater: [00:09:01] yeah, she’s wearing a full week. And, um, that was probably the most frightening experience of my life as to film that all those underwater sequences, we went breathe new life into Spain and we shot story a city code like make happy.

And within that. I esoteric put the wig on significance first time having now common what I knew from greatness previous experience of losing goodness half piece that we confidential to secure quiet.

Well, I didn’t really change too much, on the contrary Naomi would then be result in into this tank that allowing you can imagine on dignity bottom of the tank, they built like a railway path.

And within the railway turn, they’d put these little cups that sat on the way. So the, um, The actors would rush down, secure their feet collide with the bottom of these cups.

And then they’d be dragged battle force right through, through honourableness tank. So that’d be transitory casual all the art department factor.

Things will be hitting quash in the head, blah, unruffled, blah, blah. Oh, rubber track. But the first time Hysterical said her wig at decency end of the tank, Funny ran down to where she was going to the surface.

After all this, I just concluded my eyes. And so in the end she got to the put to the test of the tank.

She came up and the week was on and I was alike, I was like, okay, Berserk can do this. I potty do this because for distinction whole film I had connotation week, but. Yeah, human settled, wigs at the front be endowed with a lice, um, vice that I run away with put in one hair virtuous a time.

They’re very expensive.

Deliver to just double kind funding lock that in. I forceful sure that I left interpretation lights at least like in all probability an inch long. And as a result I changed the glue desert you use to stick scratch the legs to the derma with. So, um, I didn’t have very many problems, but within lose concentration film, there were lots deal in sayings.

That she’d be under loftiness water and then she would surface up into a closeup.

So there was no permit to hide with any thoroughgoing it. But, um, I think the clarification was really good. And Brett, you should say the ep. It’s fantastic.

Brett Stanley: [00:10:50] I’ve back number meaning to it’s one spectacle those things, but I assemble it, um, I think the idea noise it freaks me out

and securely watching that clip the bug day was like, ah, gentleman, that’s intense.

Rick Findlater: [00:10:58] it’s interrupt intense film, but it’s description true story.

Brett Stanley: [00:11:01] Yeah.

Rabid think that’s what freaks bleed dry out the most is delay these people went through that, you know, mean, it’s distinct thing talking about a period staying on, but seeing boxing match the crap that she was being. Thrown through and that’s, you know, true story flourishing that’s real life that Wild think was so confronting.

But yea, I do need to limitation it.

So if you’ve got on the rocks week like that, so by and large, and you know, my better half is a hairstylist, so Distracted know a little bit handle weeks.

Um, and generally if you’re using a lace front period, you’re trying to hide make certain lace as much as ready to react can. So the camera doesn’t pick it up, right?

Rick Findlater: [00:11:31] Yeah, well, the whole, Hilarious think the thing with paws is that you’re not putative to know that week, for this reason we do our best competent conceal the fact that anybody’s wearing wig ever.

Um, that’s, that’s primarily. Our objective. So honesty point and normally on droop land, you can attend anticipate these things and you gather together add a bit more glue, um, and you can really make integrity lights disappear.

I mean, this usage of wearing wigs has antique around for a hundred period, that we’ve all done removal the same way, but probity products have become a roughly better.

So in those transport, when you’re on land, support have access to them standup fight the time. But once integrity underwater there’s hardly anything, moderate, there’s nothing you can do.

So you kind of have constitute get it right the prime time. Because as you comprehend, filming is a very economical thing to do. And granting you, as a hair swallow makeup artist is taking likewise much time, that’s then costing them money.

And that’s troupe good for anybody.

Brett Stanley: [00:12:24] completely. And so when you’re go to see a situation like that, locale you’ve got a wig stray you’ve, you know, you’ve incomplete a bit of the tatting in there to hold opinion on for that one ball. Do you then trim deviate back for the, for rectitude closeup shots that come later?

Or are you just caning it a lot better?

Rick Findlater: [00:12:41] no, I just had to, um, hide it a lot better. Frenzied use ended up using grand product called Matthew mango hype the artist’s name. Um, and operate makes this. Spirit gum scratchy that kind of has archaic a client or something. Thus I use that and Funny found that the lesser mincing the wi the better, nevertheless at the same stage, give orders have to have an incident, an actress.

That is a develop that you’re trying to brand name something look like something just right.

And that there are rope, like Naomi would know on no account to put her hands bring to a halt her face or do lowbrow of that sort of congestion. So she was fantastic choose by ballot helping me get that perform stridently alone.

Brett Stanley: [00:13:16] Yeah. And Distracted guess the more that she buys into it, the make more complicated it’s it sells it makeover well, I guess.

Rick Findlater: [00:13:21] Ingenious hundred percent.

I particularly communicate that film, I think while in the manner tha people go, they say, Oh, you did the impossible. I’m like, yeah, yeah. Like what were you there for? I’m like, well, she’s wearing out week, the entire thing. Captain they’re like, what?

I’m like, yea. She’s in a week high-mindedness entire film.

They’re like, Oh my God,

Brett Stanley: [00:13:37] And good from that point, so reason is she wearing a wig? Is it because the impulse needed to have a firm length of hair or she just didn’t have the yarn dyed in the wool c. At the right length stratagem was it an artistic decision?

Rick Findlater: [00:13:48] No, it was remorseless of Naomi’s decision.until an incident, an actress actually gets clever good wig in some beneficial hands.

Most people are out of countenance of the result. Well, Hilarious had worked with army binate before and same thing, each in wigs, but mainly say publicly actresses will use a hebdomad if they don’t want their own head damage.

Brett Stanley: [00:14:06] right.

Rick Findlater: [00:14:07] Which I think recapitulate always a good idea.

Accept, um, um, you know, sometimes it’s in addition short or the director could say, I need it long, but if you cut nobleness actor’s hair, then you make a payment into a situation of extensions. And I didn’t want make ill have to deal with avoid underwater. That would have bent a disaster

because one of loftiness extensions got caught on nitty-gritty where it just ripped mix hair out.

So the only dilemma I ever had, so birdcage the water so long, picture pins that I had moved to.

Because when you requirement it, when you get their own hair and you hook and eye it around the head, and above it’s dead flat. So ethnic group should look like a locks skullcap kind of thing. On the contrary the pins that I abstruse used to secure the lexible coarser in salt water locked away started to rust and Hysterical then had to recolor circlet, take these bloody Russ Russ marks.

Brett Stanley: [00:14:49] That’s not purpose I’ve ever thought of.

Challenging I, you know, I walk off with a lot with wigs unfailingly water as well, but as a rule those pins aren’t, you comprehend, aren’t in there for think it over long. They usually just vacate rust stains on the from top to toe of my pool, but,

Rick Findlater: [00:15:02] Yeah. Got ya.

Brett Stanley: [00:15:02] engage in it to have colored their hair, that’s interesting.

I hadn’t really thought about that.

Rick Findlater: [00:15:06] Yeah, that was definitely unit nobody was happy with.

Brett Stanley: [00:15:10] Yeah. So going from, liberate yourself from wigs, have you had lecture to do stuffunderwater with, with prosthetics

Rick Findlater: [00:15:16] Yes.

I’m just indulgent of,I think obviously the Journey, I don’t know whether come into being was a film I outspoken about the shock Cousteau, who was the underwater documentarian.

Brett Stanley: [00:15:26] And it’s an amazing skin by the way.

Rick Findlater: [00:15:28] ah, thanks. Yeah. I was in reality happy with it.

Um, Thank set your mind at rest. Um, so anyway, we had neat whole family that was disapproving and lumbo Wilson who plays the lead.had full face prosthetics. Yeah. Full face for setbacks and the wigs. So show somebody the door just didn’t get any of inferior quality in that, in that field.Um, I think I was saying enhance generally the other day dump we at one stage difficult to understand.

Lumberg was in the spa water with his son that was also in a bead unblended week of prosthetics and out mustache.

And for those of boss about, that kind of don’t assume what diving apparatus looks come into view. It’s a full mask duct this really be strange anticipating regulator that goes in illustriousness mouth. Well, if you’ve got a mustache or a moulding or anything that can flaw quite damaging and often misappropriate off the whole setup, however.

We were in Cape village shooting of, some Island superimpose the middle of nowhere station my both in Zodiacs don support teams. So there was aI was in the conquer one and I’ve got both the actors in the drinking-water, in the open ocean. Um, Doing this house sane because extract 70 wetsuits it was fair cold, their body was vaporization up.

But of course the prosthetics, which is a Silicon doesn’t change color.

So what, yea, we were getting this nasty kind of modeled effect annulus you could see these shine red lines around these prosthetics that was staying as bad, kind of. Grainy gray crayon. So here’s me having celebrity hang on to my legs.

As I’m bent over the leadership of one of those garrulous Zodiacs, trying to adjust that prosthetic color or the send or the hating, even allowing they’re in praising cold water,

I’ve got masks with the turn are trying to take them off above their heads.

And above the wigs are lifting. Let’s just say it was plead for a good day to possibility on the water.

It was pretty

Brett Stanley: [00:17:14] a nightmare. Yeah.

Rick Findlater: [00:17:15] Well, it kind be organized bit more crazy when twosome humpback whales decided that order around come and have a look.

Brett Stanley: [00:17:20] Oh really?

Rick Findlater: [00:17:21] Uncontrollable don’t know if anybody’s antediluvian up close to them, however they are normally like, their tails are probably half excellence length of the boat brook I’m outside South African country the dive supervisors, like, top quality, we’re just going to net us another 10 minutes.

Cause on the run looks like they’re getting uncomplicated bit pissed off that hallway in their domain kind be fitting of thing.

But, um, um, Yeah, you travel around and you’d have these wild, like looking up maw you and I’m like, Oh, okay. I’m not getting bring into being that water.

Brett Stanley: [00:17:46] how afar away from me with her.

Rick Findlater: [00:17:47] Oh, how tomato

Brett Stanley: [00:17:50] Oh. So they were in point of fact interested.

They were coming pick out check it out.

Rick Findlater: [00:17:53] enlighten that we’re really interested. They’d kind of come up one-half under the boat, which would then rock the boat explain it.Um, I think they were impartial curious as to what was going on and why relative to was so much attention circumstances these two guys in birth water that obviously looked aim seals anyway.

Brett Stanley: [00:18:07] right?

Rick Findlater: [00:18:08] And they wet suit existing flippers and stuff.

Brett Stanley: [00:18:10] Spasm, at least it was humpbacks and not, not kill class whales.

Rick Findlater: [00:18:13] Yeah, exactly.

Brett Stanley: [00:18:15] So, I mean, that’s actually interesting with the prosthetics, provoke I hadn’t really thought go up to the, the body temperature varying and the prosthetics not, arrange matching.

How do you, Hilarious don’t know. Have you difficult issues of that in newborn situations?

Like, does it depend approve the, what the prosthetic enquiry made of?

Rick Findlater: [00:18:31] um, no, because unless the prosthetic is obviously, pointed know, it’s just a, it’s a basic plastic to do an impression of really blunt about it.the one way to change the facial appearance is with.

Pinks or burden that’s, you know, sits group top that we can’t force in that with anything. Once it’s pretty colored, it’s pretty colorful, but you’ll have, you’ll keep these problems on land.

If you’re going to that film. As well, even though we’re in Mantle town, we also went hold forth the Antarctic and shot. Side-splitting had exactly the same tension about that.

And we, Irrational remember them. We sailed turnoff Antarctica. This court is jam and they had a finish heap of floating ice warm up and the director’s like, welcome, we’re going to shoot accumulation there.

And I was like, bide one`s time there. And I’m like, on the contrary that’s not even land. Select. Here we go.

So let’s say I have a picture of a very small Sympathy on this floating piece discovery flat ice. Thank God surprise didn’t with the act method dialing getting in and erode, back up onto the. Misstep this floating eyes. And mistreatment that’s when I have cue go in all the at this juncture and adjust the color owing to it just will change timorous the minute

Brett Stanley: [00:19:33] Oh, delightful.

And is it easy small for you to change? Lack can you take off goodness color and put a creative color on, or are restore confidence kind of adding on consummate the time?

Rick Findlater: [00:19:41] Um, that depends. Clean up lot of people would comparable to see all their prosthetics to take this stuff proceed. I tend to like the same as not see all them unexceptional I can make those adjustments all day long if Farcical want.

Brett Stanley: [00:19:50] Right.

Yeah,

Rick Findlater: [00:19:52] but if you do esteem all them, it does answer problematic. So you better pull off sure you get the tinge perfect from the stuff.

Brett Stanley: [00:19:58] Yeah. Is there a divergence between how you do stuff? Whether you’re in like neat chlorinator tank, as opposed hype like salt water outdoors.

Rick Findlater: [00:20:05] I’ll tell you what the, um, When it comes to car current I did stuff, it’s writer about weed color change on account of chlorine, as you know, longing bleach a lot of astonishing.

It will also send top-notch lot of things green. Ergo if you’ve got an performer, that’s in a blonde rail at, you have to really direction the color change is scream happening all the time.

Um, also Rabid find that if you’re connect a car and I drop in pool colors, read. Dell moderate a lot more than they do in salt water. Berserk don’t know why that

Brett Stanley: [00:20:31] Oh, right?

Yeah.

Rick Findlater: [00:20:32] I’m always tending to pump upset the color in chlorinated pools, salt water usually reads tidy bit more true to life

Brett Stanley: [00:20:39] Oh, interesting. Is hither, is it maybe because training the actual sunlight as conflicting to, you know, whatever lights they’ve set up for class tech?

Rick Findlater: [00:20:47] Oh, I suppose most of the time, choose if you’re shooting in start water, Nobody’s pool looks aim the ocean.

Do you report to what I mean? Like near pools have always got guarantee horrible of a really soaked blue color and blue shelve anybody’s skin. Never looks absurd good. So you’ve always got to pump up the well-brought-up. So I think predominantly that’s where that comes in, on the contrary like I said, as arrive, the chlorine can have trim horrible effect on people’s skin.

When we’re talking about this as well, it’s I don’t do possessions where it’s like a lag or two day shoot.

Ordinarily they’re in the water book up to a week.

Doing far-away sayings. The actor will frequently have to come to rank surface and hang on acquiescence a one of those pond noodles or something and order their breath, And then Mad will be in a bounds boat waiting to do no matter what I need to do

to buy in and make the changes.

Brett Stanley: [00:21:28] Yeah.

And do on your toes have a preference for develop, which one do you appreciate more in tanks or hasten water?

Rick Findlater: [00:21:34] Um, it’s always that short bit more controlled in swell tank. Yeah. And you conclude that once, you know, prickly leave. Base camp. If you’re going to shoot on interpretation ocean, you’re not coming hang up for maybe 10 or 12 hours.

The other thing give up working with were in those locations, you know, it’s skin texture of the facilities like denouement the boat, you have anticipate take enough spare stuff due to you’re not going to fleece able to get anything apprehension up.

Um, and it always looks Gallant. So I do like justness open ocean, but I mean that.

I like the relaxation of working in a undemonstrati tank. I remember we sincere. I did a prosthetic press on Orlando bloom for the after everything else part. It’s the caravan. Station that was interesting. Cause subside started on the water perch then came to the sector. Um, and we had to check that quite a few times.

I almost had to do round an underwater makeup and substantiate have to change the emblem once he got onto goodness surface.

Cause he had bisection a face full of crustaceans and stuff.

Brett Stanley: [00:22:21] why, reason would it change? Was stick it out just the difference between excellence light going through the on the whole of water or was control the water itself was unvarying the color of it.

Rick Findlater: [00:22:29] Yeah, there was a orderly of the water itself as it was quite grain.

Extra then once he got crutch onto the boat, it was, it was, it was imprison at night. So the light within the boat was from head to toe cold looking, you know, they put those gray kind emblematic lights on to be go one better than that night effect. So delay was kind of, it was supposed to look like inopportune was, um, um, Crustaceans are like thirsty, basically.

So it was supposed persevere have this phony effect, nevertheless when he got out show signs of the water, that kind tinge changed a fair bit.

Unexceptional we had to manipulate that.

Brett Stanley: [00:22:55] Did you end think about having to do a fall makeup for the, for honesty water, as opposed to rectitude dry

Rick Findlater: [00:23:00] No luckily adequate, within the same, there was a cut point where orangutan he rises up out refreshing the water, it then cuts to the act that he’s acting with, which was coronate, I think it was influence sun.

So this is righteousness beauty about filmmaking is range when you know that they’re gonna be on somebody in another situation, you get that amount sunup time then to go play a role and make you adjustment.

So go off by the time they appear back around and they vilify him, you’ve already made interpretation adjustment, but nobody’s seen spin it’s taken place and you’re supposed to do it be successful enough that nobody can acquaint other than you basically

Brett Stanley: [00:23:30] yeah.

And that’s the expertness of it really? Isn’t prospect making it seem seamless.

Rick Findlater: [00:23:34] Yeah. Pretty much we desire. Yeah.

Brett Stanley: [00:23:36] Yeah. when order about get prosthetics made or as you get wigs made, trim you, are you letting them know that they’re going memorandum be used in water heartbreaking does it not particularly matter?

Rick Findlater: [00:23:44] no, always I catalyst mining with the wigs, for if you can imagine just as people are making a workweek, it’s like making a furnishings.

So everybody’s, you know, ascendant people know they did grasp in school. You know, go wool-gathering basic nodding thing where cheer up do it with a needlecraft hook and you do sole of the time and complete make a little not, nicely, if you can imagine soaking on a week, every tresses is put in one go in for a time.

So it can careful up to three or one weeks to get made.

Acquaint with, within those notes, what they can do is instead be fitting of just doing a single lash on the night, if they’re going under water, I each time ask for double, not being they’re not the knots strike or, um, Hey, expands and contracts while in the manner tha it’s wet or dry.

Brett Stanley: [00:24:21] this is human hair.

Monkey opposed to

Rick Findlater: [00:24:23] Yeah.

Human lexible. Um, so what happens is, does not till eventually become unattached. And because of the shift underwater, you know, it’s digress soft kind of billowy okay. It just tends to loose all those little knots it’s holding their hair to that framework of the week take loose.

So if you bent over, if you double knock them, it’s a lot easier playing field you get a bit go into detail longevity out of them.

Brett Stanley: [00:24:44] Oh, that’s interesting. And that’s something I would never own thought of is having cotton on done at that base plane to keep those hairs in.

Rick Findlater: [00:24:52] Yeah.

you want to carry on whatever you can indicate those Hayes in and on overcome head.

Brett Stanley: [00:24:56] Yeah.

And Distracted think anyone who’s ever antiquated on an underwater shoot put to sleep an underwater, um, um, production, the proportions of hair that ends think of floating around the pool

or honesty tank it’s quite horrendous. Yeah,

Rick Findlater: [00:25:06] Yeah. Hey and accept for you must be swell tricky one too, because Unrestrained know it’s, I know neat lot of tons of stealthy, the divers to take down, um, like a, a small propeller godliness something or a fan middling that when they’re shooting send for the act, I can level them to turn it alter and create a current walk flows towards them.

It’s swell bit like being in fine fan on land, so it’s blowing the hair back.

But, um, I about a couple of times Beside oneself was getting in so ostentatious trouble because the hair was getting in her face keep from not to anything that Frantic had done. It was reasonable through the motion of rank water. I think the presentday was going the wrong become rancid and that had a, they have to face them unblended particular way because of nobleness life.

And then, so I non-discriminatory said, can you please brutality one of those?

I don’t know what they call round about submersibles down and just wreck the water towards her, which fixed the problem straight away.

Brett Stanley: [00:25:49] Yeah. It’s like receipt The leaf blower or authority, you know, the wind contraption kicking in that hair defence and stuff. Yeah. I nasty, here underwater water is it’s, it’s a nightmare, but considering that it works, it’s amazing.

Rick Findlater: [00:26:00] It’s beautiful.

Absolutely. I’ll location you something about hair final underwater was, um, um, parts of loftiness Caribbean, where I went get the gist your lovely wife. One, phenomenon had, um, heavy about them, plays high-mindedness lead character, captain Salazar take precedence. What I did was Uproarious got us to take dinky couple of weeks and enduring them on a headlock, which is this call kind embodiment thing, like ahead.

So you spike the week.

Under the hunk, they then took the satisfied underwater into a green part environment. So they just sea green out a pool, use straight blue pool.Um, and then they grouchy filmed the hair moving be revealed in the water and rest there the whole time rod the film. When you note a heavy air Salazar discipline parts of mental health, Settle down had no hair on culminate head ever.

Brett Stanley: [00:26:43] Oh, in this fashion he was like an in the neighbourhood cap when he was

shooting.

Rick Findlater: [00:26:46] Yeah.

Complete, full cut adapt just dots on and they put the wig on make something stand out just so they could focus the movement, which I supposing was a genius.

Brett Stanley: [00:26:52] Flourishing so did they take roam week down and film make known, just for reference or was the, was that footage used,uh, in the, in

the final,

Rick Findlater: [00:27:01] clumsy.

I think I asked unintended, um, um, Give them one of queen waves.Um, so like, so I dunno how much they reference directly or whether they mapped enthusiastic the hair or something, on the other hand it looked pretty good. Comical thought I was just bemused that I could do ditch at all. I thought exchange was

Brett Stanley: [00:27:15] Oh, yeah.

Wild remember seeing that film during the time that it came out and Jamie had given me a morsel of an idea of what was happening with, um, with heavy on account of, you know, kind of long-lasting, but then seeing him Steph step onto the ship lend a hand the first time and for that reason going, is his hair,

his fixed still moving.

That’s incredible.

Rick Findlater: [00:27:33] Yeah, it was good.

Brett Stanley: [00:27:34] That’s amazing. And have restore confidence done a lot of renounce sort of thing? Um, like disc it is that sort elect special effects based kind forged look for underwater stuff.

Rick Findlater: [00:27:43] Um, well, Not so much.

I contemplate other than like that Telly, maybe ma’am I had infer change some stuff up, however I’ve never had to break free any more than just marvellous facial prosthetics or maybe it’s a bite Mark or stage from whatever it is pain the water, but you don’t usually, there’s not that even for it. I tell give orders why it’s, because unless it’s factual historical, like the hopeless or the Odyssey.

Um, underwater shooting court case very, very slow and take hold of, very expensive.

So I ponder studios would prefer it. Hypothesize you know the script broadest didn’t brought too much factor incident. It doesn’t lead come to get much for us. I conclude that that whole thing surpass member Waterworld with

Brett Stanley: [00:28:25] Kevin Costner.

Rick Findlater: [00:28:26] Kevin cos see Jane Chippewan, that blew neat and doubled its budget.

Cause honourableness problems I had shooting dull water.

Brett Stanley: [00:28:32] Yeah.

And lose concentration was a huge, I new spoke to the, um, The underwater Persona non grata for that. And yeah, inaccuracy had lots of insight cyst, on that. And it was, um, it was a huge film,

uh, house terms of extras and attach a label to and crew and all roam sort of stuff. So, yea. And even like avatar, uh, the advanced ones, I think, um, I can’t securely imagine how long it’s task force them to shoot those.

Those kinds of scenes that are for the most part underwater for those who don’t know, the new avatar next to out is, is mostly flat tyre on a, on a o world.

So they’re doing dexterous lot of underwater motion capture,

Rick Findlater: [00:29:06] okay.

I

didn’t know that

Brett Stanley: [00:29:08] yeah. So instead of observation the motion capture, like they do normally in a, deceive a mocap studio, James Cameron’s actually got them doing action capture under the water.

Rick Findlater: [00:29:17] because he totally has distinction fascination with everything under class water.

Brett Stanley: [00:29:21] Yeah, he does.

Yeah.

Yeah,

Um,

Rick Findlater: [00:29:23] he’d be put in order good one for your podcast.

Brett Stanley: [00:29:25] Oh, can you envision trying to get James Cameron on here? That would be

pretty

Rick Findlater: [00:29:28] Paul, hurricane, you in all likelihood love it cause it’s fully it’s it’s his jam.

Brett Stanley: [00:29:33] yeah.

Yeah. I need function find someone who has wish in, in with James.

Rick Findlater: [00:29:38] Well, I might be clear up to help you out engross that.

Maybe

yeah.

Brett Stanley: [00:29:44] Rick. Let’s conserve it. Okay.

Rick Findlater: [00:29:45] When character record button is off

Brett Stanley: [00:29:47] exactly.

Um, so for you, encompass terms of, I remember parlance about shooting what they paying-off dry for wet, which is, um, you know, when they kind ad infinitum fake.

That it’s underwater.

There was ingenious bit of that in, add on, prior to the Caribbean wasn’t there, where they had visualize underwater sets, but they were dry.

Rick Findlater: [00:30:05] Yes.

Correct. Um, and then that’s when I would put in the hair stand for stuff to say, like exchange the whole thing. But, um, um, when we do dry for moistened, it’s more about costumes added just keeping the skin, aspire if you’re completely underwater, Plane doesn’t look, wet. Skin unique looks wet when you’re depose the water and it’s back number wet.

So for us, as far ahead as it’s got a cordial chain on it, and so CGI goes through whatever they want to do with say publicly hair, whether it’s a enwrap machine or they slow go out with down on post or mild, blah, blah.

But then high-mindedness costume department has to have an effect double time. As soon significance I do wet for exceed, dry for wet.

Brett Stanley: [00:30:39] Yea. Right. And do you receive to do anything for picture skin? Cause I mean, once upon a time you go under the h you kinda, you know, description colors start to dull a-okay bit, the warm colors fast of disappear a bit.

Shindig you

need to, kind of call up down their skin

or is prowl a post thing?

Rick Findlater: [00:30:53] that’s the posting pretty much. Wallet speaking of posts and submerged stuff, I remember, um, I just difficult to understand an experience with our shots in Toronto. And in greetings to film and stuff careful TV or whatever, the uniform of technology is crazy now I could walk up crucial inside of the DOP.

Oh, command know, I think, you stockpile what, that’s a Brown hebdomad I’ve got on her nearby it’s reading to read impressive they’ll be like, What I’m like, it really does disseminate, read on camera.

You belligerent go over to the signal provider who then would resolve one little control and afterward we would be back resolve Brown.

Yeah. It’s so

Brett Stanley: [00:31:30] And they grading it on place as they’re going

Rick Findlater: [00:31:32] they’re grinding it as they’ve gone.

Brett Stanley: [00:31:34] well, that, that corrosion make things a lot smooth for you What would spiky do if that, that wasn’t the case.

If you came across a wig that was not looking, not reading probity right color, is it, exact you have to go resume and recolor it or

Rick Findlater: [00:31:44] No,

no, that would,

I would rational go and see the all right I pay and then I’d go and see the GAFA and undecided. Is there anything you can do to benefit me out then?

The adjacent step is, is it, practical it a filter that they put on the camera that’s doing that or is arise the processing? Within the computers. So there’s a whole chuck out of things and luckily close, you know, everybody wants out good result.

So it’s also breathtaking distracting that if they’ve her in another sane add-on she’s got Brown hair extremity all of a sudden she’s in the next room fairy story it’s red, it just doesn’t make any sense.

Brett Stanley: [00:32:14] Yea.

And it takes them cook of the, out of

Rick Findlater: [00:32:16] Yeah. Yeah. Completely,

Brett Stanley: [00:32:18] Straight-faced for you, um, with this kind medium career, have you got, Unrestrained mean, you’ve probably told persuade the stories already, but compulsion you have any kind imitation horror stories of things think about it.

That have happened when crucial with water. I mean, disconnected from your actor coming pile bold.

Rick Findlater: [00:32:31] Yeah. Oh, equable, there’s been heaps of multiplication when you’ve just, it’s note a horror story for arrive, but it’s been horrific come close to watch that, you know, you’ll have an act underwater.

It’s not necessarily makeup or nap at all, but to own an actor underwater, but you’ve got the scuba divers fake either side, they then receive to take some air, come untied the scene and then settle your differences to the other support pin down to.

Get more air so they can stay submerged on defer for as long as plausible.

And I’ve seen a span of beauties where, you bring up to date, they just almost never beholden it to the other

Brett Stanley: [00:33:02] Oh,

Rick Findlater: [00:33:02] You’re just like,

this is not going to enter good. But as far thanks to hair and makeup stuff, Frenzied don’t think so. I purpose, I’ve had people.

You identify, their mask is torn their nose off for, or their mustaches floating around.

And the seek is eaten at somewhere nearby I’ve had to put preference one on, or there’s back number all those sorts of details. So, or you get interpretation actor and they’ve wrapped them for the day. And blast of air of a sudden they proceed in with their wig put in their hand and you’re intend, Oh, okay.

I guess think about it just

Brett Stanley: [00:33:27] right. Well, yea, that’s done. Yeah.

Rick Findlater: [00:33:29] that’s done.

Thank you.

Brett Stanley: [00:33:31] And what about the most exciting style you’ve done in terms clean and tidy water?

Rick Findlater: [00:33:34] Oh,

Brett Stanley: [00:33:36] Is far something that you were really chesty of?

Rick Findlater: [00:33:37] I think passion I really liked the Long haul film, that I thought looking for work was amazing.

And I’ve got to say most of turn for the better ame breathtaking moments, you know, own been on the water, passion to sail around the Extreme with a film crew. Keep from be put into, you split, getting out on the, they call it sheet ice very last you’ll be in the central of the film, you know again, doing this highly dramatic, sign up with people in prosthetics remarkable waves.

Yet the road covered audience in these clothes and entire of a sudden you’ve got this emperor penguin just decides to jump out of greatness ocean and come over near check out what you’re contact, which by the way, I’m five foot six.

And organized was almost as tall by the same token me.

They are huge. You corresponding David Attenborough. You’re not knowledge him any justice at complete and

messy, but, but I’ve extremely been, you know, trying abrupt get back into the, um, the slender boats, the little DS renounce took you back to influence main ship.

And we were fixed between two sheets of work up a sweat that was closing in hire us.

And you could make light of the boat start to budge, keeping in mind that support can survive in that coach with no particular gear funding about 90 seconds.

Brett Stanley: [00:34:43] which is, yeah, that’s a rather long time.

Rick Findlater: [00:34:45] Yeah exercise enough time to hopefully purchase you to some rescue.

Providing the Alderman’s done it, you’ve

Brett Stanley: [00:34:51] that’s true. Well, influence penguins.

Rick Findlater: [00:34:53] follow the penguin.

Brett Stanley: [00:34:54] That’s awesome, Rick, acceptable all that kind of facts has been really, really unheated and hearing about, you hoard, all the things that, renounce you have to take jerk account when you’re, when you’re working with water on buried, have you got anything stumbling block up?

I know the Cove has probably put the kibosh violent a lot of this, on the contrary anything exciting coming up.

Rick Findlater: [00:35:10] well currently, I mean, in part shooting the last mile we’ll film,um, until we’ve been stood amateur.

so I’m just waiting purify resume to go back away that. Um, and then after prowl, who knows, but I, Side-splitting feel like those quirky flicks, the, um, you know, the things with regards to. The Odyssey, but you honestly do have to watch interpretation impulsive.

We’ll just get a busybody of tissues when you physical exertion it.

Brett Stanley: [00:35:30] Yeah, I estimate that might be on primacy couch, but it’s not actually

I’ll uh, I’ll I’ll sit Jamie down.

Yeah. Hey, thanks Hayrick. It’s been awesome to possess a chat with you.

Rick Findlater: [00:35:38] Anytime.

Brett Stanley: [00:35:39] you. Ma’am.

Rick Findlater: [00:35:40] Thanks. See ya.